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here's maynard's spooky action

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glebe is known for lots of things uh

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trotting

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lots of other stuff i can't mention on

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the skeptic zone or richards who'll cut

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it out but it's known for a lot of

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things let me tell you and it's known

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for archers hear this arch

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in fact not many people know that all

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the work of too unlimited was done

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underneath this arch there's no limit oh

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and by the way i'm standing next to

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someone who claims that this is perhaps

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one of the spookiest areas in sydney

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it's dr sivorn o's sullivan and uh look

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she's uh you might know from knowing

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animals you might know from her work

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about privatizing the uh the

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unemployment system but tonight you're

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going to show us glebe's spookiest place

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well thank you it's so wonderful to be

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here sharing this is my local area and

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it's wonderful to be sharing the

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spookiness with you

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i mean uh what uh drew you to this

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spooky area we're just next to the the

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famous tram sheds which were abandoned

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for many years when they were even

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spookier and used for sort of all sorts

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of things as when they were abandoned

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man that was a time to be in those tram

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sheds when there was nothing in there

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well i am an annandale resident so i'm a

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local and i'm always keeping an eye out

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for local and endow news and when i

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discovered that there's a street with no

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name very close to me

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and apparently it's also haunted i had

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to look into it further and of course i

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needed the skeptics with me look i was

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just reading in the annandale bugle the

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other day that that street we're about

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to look at was where most of the

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abandoned bicycles you know those high

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bicycles that used to be around most of

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them were chucked in there by school

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kids so we might find some ghosts or

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some bicycles

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indeed i think we're going to find a lot

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of we're not going to be hard up for

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rubbish we might we might struggle a

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little bit with the ghost but we're not

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going to be hard up for rubbish i fear

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and and how do you feel about the ghost

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will it be will it be images will there

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be ghostly shadows will they be

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occasional

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well i came here actually in the day

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just to help begin to acclimatise myself

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but as we're here this evening it's

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almost dark so i'm expecting to hear a

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lot of very strange noises distant bangs

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creaking noises apparently you can often

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hear the ghosts running away i didn't

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know too much about ghost running

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earlier but apparently this is something

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that can be heard cool well let's go

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have a look because i've been reading up

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on my woo before this so i know what to

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talk about everything richard how are

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you feeling about this because i know i

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know

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ghosts don't exist you're just having an

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existential crisis

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i think i must be here as a token

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skeptic now it's great to see you doctor

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siobhan yes i haven't seen you for a

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little while and actually mainland dr

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wrote to the skeptic zone and said you

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should check out sydney's most haunted

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street she took the time to do that but

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she did not mention your haircut in her

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email

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really it won't do something about your

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hair anyway

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you're both looking very dapper you've

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both emerged out of lockdown looking

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very groomed and fresh face ready to go

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well i've just been doing sit-ups just

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the one but it was great

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well then that's singular

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but i am keen i am keen to explore

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sydney's most haunted street now oh and

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for the viewers now the fans of the

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x-files would know that they carried

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very heavy torches that both of them had

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trouble doing the production handling of

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course that was in the 90s now we have

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led torches that have a a gun grip on

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them and i've got that and it's got a

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great range and everything so

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uh you've got a black oh you got a black

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light don't you bring that to my don't

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she's a doctor she knows this stuff

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let's see

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so uh dr siobhan we are at the first

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spooky looking gate

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what's beyond the gate i can't tell it's

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overgrown we're but we're by this tram

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line is this above us here or something

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like that um it looks scary that used to

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be the the goods railway and now you'll

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find that that's the light rail that

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goes over there richard yeah

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yeah and also there is an aqueduct that

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runs through here as well so there's

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roman ghosts there was this it's a

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sewerage aquaduck

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poopy roman ghost pest i'm afraid the

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ghosts are too long past well i think

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let's go get this noise people

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okay it opens

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and siobhan's braver than us may not

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she's going here you'll be glad to know

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that i'm playing the part of scooby in

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tonight and i've i've prepared a coding

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now you say that this this is this a

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laneway or what is this exactly

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this is called the street with no name

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my sincere suspicion is that it's

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actually just a little bit of government

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land in a very inaccessible spot and

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that's why it's not being given a name

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but also on a more serious note perhaps

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i also do think that perhaps some people

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do use it to sleep rough i don't think

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anyone's here at the moment oh okay well

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it's getting on dark there might be in

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which case we should leave them alone if

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that's the case i suspect there's no one

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at the moment there's quite a few bits

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of clothing and things you could fashion

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that accommodation

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accommodation

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oh yes okay

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maynard's venturing on here beautiful

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look i don't want to disturb anybody

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i'll follow maynard through this

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it's a little bit scary what was that oh

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it's you so

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i'm getting the creeps already folks

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this is making your way along here

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yeah okay

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well i think someone's uh

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someone's there but i don't think

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anyone's up there this is a so what is

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supposed to have happened here siobhan

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actually when i came here in the day to

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have a look in this very tree that we

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were standing under right now we saw

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three kookaburras and i thought isn't it

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nice that there are some spots where

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humans don't dominate and wildlife can

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can have a bit of peace and time to

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themselves yes i'm just wondering if

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you'd get possums here or anything you

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know um maybe perhaps a tasmanian tiger

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perhaps although perhaps the ghosts

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scare them off we don't know i must

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admit that maynard it does

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there is a bit of a spooky atmosphere

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here because we've got this wall right

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here we've got the side of the hill

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it does have an eerie quality

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i think it's mainly eerie because it's

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dark there's no one around and you don't

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know if there might be actually live

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humans here which would probably be the

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big problem

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have to worry about the cemeteries the

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dead people can't do anything to you

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it's the live ones you've got to worry

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about and having worked for the abc i

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can certainly agree with that's going up

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a head doctor siobhan

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it's very dark

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it is very dark now you can also enter

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from the other side and i think if we

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keep going a little bit we might

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actually be able to exit as well so i

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think we might have done the whole

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street with no name well of course one

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of the big things about this and the

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most spookiest thing is that it's very

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close to a catholic girl school so if

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you look closely you'll see lots of

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cigarette butts on the ground

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and the okay oh there's a bottle of a

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monster there there's an actual monster

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that's the monster

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discovered a monster it's a monster

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energy drink um

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well someone started a

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thing it isn't interesting yeah and this

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is and we've pretty much covered it

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i think we can keep going maynard okay

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right yeah

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we're pressing on folks we're getting

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deeper and deeper into this

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strange area

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it's hard to describe because we've got

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all the trees in the the hill right on

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a lot of

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and air conditioning panels on our

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right as we exit here with the and a

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whole lot of graffiti which is a bit of

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a pity because some of it's actually

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good but no one's ever gonna see it in

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here

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i want a pair of pants that's got a pair

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of haunted pants probably oh and a whole

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bunch of

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huntsman spider in that too oh

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yeah i don't like don't like huntsman

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we're ducking through this sort of

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growth here so it's not

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it's not too bad but it's not a straight

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it's sort of like apocalypse now without

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the drama and the budget that's right

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it's on the cheap

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we can't afford very good ghosts i'm

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afraid

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but this it's strange i mean i wouldn't

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classify where we are now as a

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street it's just like a

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nondescript

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weird area you're just walking along the

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side of the building richard with

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overgrown foliage yeah

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now i'm sounding like skeptic

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[Laughter]

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but there are other haunted places

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around here i'm sure we just have to

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gotta say as far as non-local

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consciousness goes i don't think this is

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a place that has any non-local

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consciousness yes um obviously you know

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dr rupert sheldrake is a guy who listens

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to the skeptic zone fairly often often

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all the time and of course i've watched

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uh half his half his ted talk half half

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his ted talk yeah look i saw where he

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was going i didn't have to see the

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second half

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[Applause]

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and boy did that stir people up it was

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called the science delusion oh boy

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why are you giving that man a platform

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now we've come back and we're under this

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uh

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this arch again

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well that wasn't too bad um that wasn't

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too bad i imagine it was a bit scarier

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than it was during the day for you yes

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and i didn't go as deep in so i think we

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really really penetrated the street with

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no name

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because i thought that was going to go

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all the way up to the top but that must

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be another street that goes down the

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side of the tram sheds

279
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yeah it's interesting

280
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we're going to go to another location

281
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now that is also featured in a lot of

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the pictures and chat about the street

283
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with no name and i did think they'd meet

284
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her up but they would meet up but

285
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clearly they didn't you think part of

286
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this is the fact that i used to live in

287
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a street just behind there where we knew

288
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we parked you think that's part of the

289
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reason why they think there's ghosts in

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this street that ghosts of maynard's

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carry on

292
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quite possibly

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you know originally i thought where we

294
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are now

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was the street with no name i don't even

296
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know what just if this is just these

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used to be banned rehearsal spaces bands

298
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could rehearse in here but of course all

299
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that got got kicked out the way when

300
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they tried to uh gentrify the whole

301
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thing um and they tried to start a cafe

302
00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:10,640
here which of course doesn't go well

303
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with covert or anything like that oh boy

304
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isn't king street newtown a great place

305
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now i saw four shops open

306
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uh-huh sorry hang on i'm just getting

307
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that's this three sorry three now

308
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so this is now what artistic space or

309
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something i think that this is a

310
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community garden and this is where

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they're storing their gardening

312
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tools whole community garden you mean

313
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there's four people who tell everyone

314
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else what to do and don't let them do

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anything that that sort of thing

316
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that's that's actually you've been a

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member of a community that's the actual

318
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definition of a community in fact i'm

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one of the few people who stood up

320
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against the community garden going in at

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the glebe library because i said at the

322
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moment it's a nice open space you can

323
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lie on it'll become the property of four

324
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people who won't let you pick a tomato

325
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there's a kookaburra right in front of

326
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us we're looking at a kookaburra for

327
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those people who aren't from australia

328
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you've heard one in every single film

329
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about south america where they don't

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live there it goes

331
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there are two there's friend that's up

332
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there the ones we saw the other day

333
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lovely and they're not they're not a

334
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nocturnal bird but i imagine all the

335
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movement around here would really give

336
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him the pip hey if you want to find a

337
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bird to really despise go for the

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eastern coal now you're thinking what is

339
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eastern coal you know the eastern coal

340
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because if you live in australia and at

341
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four in the morning a bird goes whoo

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then stops until you're just about to go

343
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back to sleep and then goes

344
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again that is the eastern coal also

345
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known as the indonesian chicken they can

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actually uh migrate from as far away as

347
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the philippines and they're they black

348
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and they've got a bright red eye uh

349
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that's the male the female you don't see

350
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them because they're embarrassed to hang

351
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around with the male so you really ever

352
00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:44,399
see the female and like frankly i don't

353
00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:46,959
blame them with making a noise like that

354
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now if you're listening this to this

355
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you're listening to the special content

356
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now i was i was seeing some doc some

357
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well someone's put some documentaries

358
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together about

359
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this area and people

360
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apparently there was a guy in 1966

361
00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:06,399
a

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um

363
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died on these tracks was hit by a train

364
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right

365
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it didn't mention anything about about

366
00:13:18,389 --> 00:13:16,959
what i got up to in the train tunnel

367
00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,399
here before it was turned into the light

368
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rail in 1991 okay right good that's a

369
00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:23,360
good thing now i have taken i must have

370
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taken this the wrong way because we've

371
00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,399
not popped up where i was expecting us

372
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to but the other place i was going to

373
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:30,959
show you is really rather very similar

374
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it is a overgrown entrance to it to a

375
00:13:38,069 --> 00:13:36,320
tunnel um

376
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so apparently

377
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locals who believe that this spot is

378
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haunted

379
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um they cite various bodies very

380
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unfortunate children's bodies in the 60s

381
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:50,800
being being found here

382
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so

383
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to me it does look like the kind of

384
00:13:57,269 --> 00:13:55,199
place where

385
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god forbid someone might dump a body if

386
00:14:01,430 --> 00:13:59,279
they had you know committed murder it's

387
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not clear to me that that necessarily

388
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:04,160
immediately takes us to um

389
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the next realm and the the world of

390
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,440
ghosts

391
00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:09,360
but it certainly

392
00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,760
and particularly

393
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:12,399
pre-gentrification would have been

394
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:14,079
perhaps a good place to

395
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:15,760
dump the body that's great you got

396
00:14:18,930 --> 00:14:17,120
through that whole spiel without using

397
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,940
the term morphic resonance once

398
00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:20,880
[Laughter]

399
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,600
now over there is the haunted bandstand

400
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,519
and there are people singing

401
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:27,519
yes in fact i can hear the voice of

402
00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:38,550
now if we want to look for that other

403
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:40,399
entrance we can it is very similar all

404
00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:42,079
right

405
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,470
we're walking by the sydney light rail

406
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:50,399
stop here which has been in existence

407
00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:51,760
now for rugby

408
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,480
10 12 years or something like that

409
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:56,240
maybe a bit longer but before that was a

410
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:58,000
railway tunnel and let us let's say a

411
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,040
disused railway tunnel this hughes

412
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,959
now we're heading towards this

413
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,279
bandstand because we're well it's a um

414
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:07,040
no it's grandstand

415
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:08,000
practice

416
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,920
do you think making use of the acoustics

417
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,240
for bangkok yeah

418
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:14,240
ah this is a cricket oval down here to

419
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:16,399
our left and there's a cricket over the

420
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:18,000
actual cricket over there that's why

421
00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:24,550
that's the cricket

422
00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:45,269
[Music]

423
00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:57,990
um

424
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:59,430
as you've once just been pointing to

425
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,360
some wood on the grandstand that's

426
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,880
slightly discolored from the rest of the

427
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,399
wood

428
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,519
you wouldn't think twice about it

429
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,600
normally

430
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:09,040
so

431
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,079
eagle-eyed uh locals have noticed that

432
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,279
the the grandstand has about four steps

433
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,360
and one of them is slightly differently

434
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,440
edged than the others so

435
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:21,360
three of them are rounded and one's more

436
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:22,720
squared off

437
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,360
and this is said to be proof that

438
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,199
there was a murder that occurred here

439
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,040
that was so gruesome

440
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,920
that the blood soaked through the wood

441
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:34,720
and the wood had to be replaced

442
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:37,120
and whoever replaced it

443
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,759
used a slightly different technique for

444
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,519
rounding the edges

445
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,079
there was a murder in glue point road

446
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:46,880
above what used to be the hairdressers

447
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,360
and it was on the top floor and the

448
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,199
person wasn't found and it was rumored

449
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,800
that a bit of the blood dripped into the

450
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,360
ceiling of the the flat underneath it

451
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:57,440
so there's a bit of glee uh whether that

452
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,800
actually happened or not i don't know

453
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,240
but with that

454
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,880
murder a grizzly murder occurred above

455
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,559
what used to be a hairdresser's but then

456
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,799
again you know that happens a fair bit

457
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,720
let's take a look at this uh here we go

458
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:11,360
we're right oh yes look at that

459
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,799
yeah

460
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,640
we're looking at the uh the steps now

461
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,880
yeah it is um or they could have just

462
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:19,439
run out of the wood that wasn't square

463
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,559
termites is another explanation oh you

464
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,000
skeptics

465
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:27,439
sometimes you were just so prosaic

466
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,919
i'm thinking inside the box well i think

467
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,679
if we walk up here now and cross the

468
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:33,520
tram lines

469
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:35,039
we'll come to another haunted place so

470
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,919
we're going to the other side of the

471
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,600
tracks basically that's a place richard

472
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:39,840
never goes to

473
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,160
now and they probably know my name now

474
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,240
last time we did it via under so we

475
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:46,559
actually didn't come over but let's just

476
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:49,679
go and see what we can see yes

477
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:53,200
now as we're strolling along siobhan uh

478
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,120
skeptic zone listeners will remember i

479
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:57,919
interviewed you was it

480
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,400
april or something like that may

481
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,720
or something like that now you have

482
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,960
been undergoing quite

483
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:06,320
the adventure

484
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:09,679
our listeners who may not have heard

485
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,440
that episode uh you were a podcaster

486
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,520
doing knowing animals of course very

487
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,760
good podcast without animal

488
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,120
welfare

489
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,840
basically and then you

490
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,120
received the news that you were

491
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:25,919
diagnosed with ovarian cancer yes that's

492
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,320
right in start of august 2020 last year

493
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,720
i was feeling quite bloated and a bit

494
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,720
unwell i couldn't really put my finger

495
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,880
on what it was i ended up in the

496
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,120
emergency room at rpa which is one of

497
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:41,840
the big public hospitals in sydney and i

498
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,559
was told that i had ovarian cancer stage

499
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:46,160
three

500
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,280
since then i have gone through the

501
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,280
standard procedure the standard

502
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,360
treatment which is six rounds of

503
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,919
chemotherapy and surgery to remove the

504
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:57,440
cancer

505
00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:00,799
but i've been very unlucky i

506
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,600
um

507
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,760
the cancer had already spread basically

508
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,280
before they stopped the primary

509
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:06,559
treatment

510
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,080
and then i was moved on to another chemo

511
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,559
but then after a couple of rounds i was

512
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:14,000
chemo resistant meaning that

513
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,600
chemotherapy couldn't work for me

514
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,960
anymore

515
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,840
so

516
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,679
this is what happens unfortunately with

517
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,400
ovarian cancer you know i was about 20

518
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,240
years younger than the average age of

519
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:25,840
diagnosis

520
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,520
and within kind of eight months i was

521
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,520
basically terminally ill

522
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,799
and so

523
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,640
i was given a couple of options one was

524
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,799
to stop all treatment and i would die by

525
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,760
christmas this year so in a month

526
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,840
or i could go back to a really old

527
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,679
chemotherapy drug

528
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,320
and i would lose all my hair i'd have to

529
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,160
have it once a week i'd be constantly

530
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,640
sick and i'd live a year

531
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,960
or i could look around for a drug trial

532
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,120
so with options like that

533
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,880
i decided to look around for a drug

534
00:20:04,870 --> 00:19:58,080
trial

535
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,880
have had one round and so far

536
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,360
it has shown that the tumors aren't

537
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:10,000
growing so i stay on it until the tumors

538
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:11,440
start growing

539
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,720
and then i'm out of treatment options so

540
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:16,640
i'm hoping to live another year and a

541
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,760
half that's what i would like at least

542
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,039
i've been told to look around for

543
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,600
another drug trial but finding another

544
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,559
ovarian cancer drug trial is not as easy

545
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,400
as it sounds so

546
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,640
that's my situation and

547
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,559
one of the things i want to do is raise

548
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,559
awareness about ovarian cancer because

549
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,080
it is this

550
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,880
really anomalous cancer it is not

551
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,360
like so many other cancers where it can

552
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:43,280
be quite effectively treated and the

553
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,640
large majority of people would be

554
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,480
expected to live for quite a while if

555
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,120
not have remission ovarian cancer has

556
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,679
something like a 25 you know survival

557
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,400
rate and it is a really it's a real

558
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,480
killer and we need research is that

559
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,159
reason because it's usually discovered

560
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:00,720
late because it isn't found early

561
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,840
it is a real creeper so you get almost

562
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,080
no symptoms you get this feeling that

563
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,840
you're a little bit bloated but quite

564
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,679
frankly during covert who doesn't feel

565
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,360
quite a bit bloated

566
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,480
and of course um for many women most

567
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,480
women they get it later in life and so

568
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,559
you have skipped periods and things like

569
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,080
that but that's also part of getting

570
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,080
older so a lot of people just think my

571
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,559
body's changing with age but in fact it

572
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,039
may well be ovarian cancer even in the

573
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,200
early stages is there any biomarker in

574
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,640
blood or anything like that that will

575
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,280
tell it like like a prostate psi test

576
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:35,440
that sort of thing yes there is there is

577
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,000
quite a reliable marker in the blood

578
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,240
when i went to my gp and said i feel

579
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,720
bloated i don't feel well the first gp

580
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,200
said to me go home and take laxatives so

581
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,200
i did that for about three days and i

582
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,280
felt so terrible every day i felt worse

583
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,919
and worse and worse i went back to my

584
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,000
practice so a different doctor and he

585
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,640
tested me for that marker and it was

586
00:22:03,909 --> 00:21:59,120
very elevated it's supposed to sit below

587
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:03,919
25 in my case it was around 400

588
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,440
but the problem with that marker

589
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,520
is that after a while your body works

590
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,120
out how to keep it low even though the

591
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,760
cancer is growing so it's all quite the

592
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,760
real way to find out if you have it is a

593
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,159
cat scan but the reason one of the

594
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,240
reasons it's such a nasty disease and

595
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,320
we're so desperate to get some research

596
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,840
and some answers

597
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,080
is that i was diagnosed at the start of

598
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,520
august 2020 and it's very likely that on

599
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,919
the 1st of january 2020 i do not have

600
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,720
ovarian cancer so it is a really fast

601
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,640
growing cancer there is a version of it

602
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,960
that isn't fast growing but the one i

603
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,720
have which is the more common one is

604
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,600
fast growing so so even if you had a

605
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,280
yearly blood test looking for that

606
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,280
marker you could still miss it and that

607
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,120
six months would be enough to cause

608
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,840
problems absolutely and another thing

609
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,480
that is really tragic and and makes me

610
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,039
feel so sad and a little bit despairing

611
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,720
about the research side of ovarian

612
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,840
cancer

613
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,919
is that a very very large study was

614
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,760
conducted actually by

615
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,840
my vice chancellor at my university

616
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:08,799
which is unsw sydney and they had a look

617
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,240
at a lot of data from the nhm from from

618
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,799
from the uk that they'd collected um in

619
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,200
the uk and what they found was that even

620
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,600
early detection didn't mean that you

621
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,159
could save people's lives so even

622
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,919
getting it early you still have these

623
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
terrible outcomes so what we need to do

624
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,799
is either find a way to get it really

625
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
early or we've got to find a way to

626
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,960
effectively treat it

627
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:34,880
or both

628
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,159
now did you ever at any stage go to dr

629
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,080
google and be horrified

630
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,039
do you know it's interesting i didn't

631
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,559
google it up immediately i was diagnosed

632
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,120
through emergency at rpa it was during

633
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,720
that it was a very traumatic and

634
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:52,640
upsetting experience

635
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,880
and even my doctor at rpa emergency the

636
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,559
first thing he said was it's probably

637
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,200
appendicitis and we'll just rule out the

638
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,919
really nasty things etc and they put me

639
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:06,159
in ct scan machine and then they saw the

640
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,279
cancer

641
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,799
and um i was in a real state i ended up

642
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,799
at chris o'brien life house which is a

643
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,279
really lovely cancer hospital and it's

644
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,120
kind of place that i would encourage

645
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,640
listeners to support if they're in a

646
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,799
position to to support a hospital that's

647
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,279
really trying to do good work

648
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,440
but i was a mess i was there for about

649
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,640
two and a half weeks and i had i was i

650
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,720
can't tell you i was not in a good

651
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,640
position a lot of friends have since

652
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,919
said that they didn't think i was even

653
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:35,679
going to get out of hospital that first

654
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,200
time i was there i was very very sick

655
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,000
and so i didn't really google it up i

656
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,840
was so nauseous i couldn't really look

657
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,760
at a screen i was just trying to hang in

658
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,880
the game

659
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,000
and a lot of people use words in in

660
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,559
cancer like battling cancer and i've

661
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,480
spoken to adrian edmondson whose wife

662
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,240
jennifer saunders had breast cancer and

663
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,080
he said that that's not great it's more

664
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,559
like a roller coaster ride through [\h__\h]

665
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,360
um

666
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,720
and i'm sure they don't like to use that

667
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,080
kind of language on channel seven or

668
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,400
channel nine but to someone who's had

669
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,480
that sort of experience is battle just a

670
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,240
really bad word because it indicates you

671
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:12,000
can actually change something where you

672
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,120
can't always

673
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,200
exactly i have asked my friends and

674
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,120
family to really think about avoiding

675
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,200
the vocabulary of battle particularly

676
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,200
when i die which is what is going to

677
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,520
happen to me fairly soon and the reason

678
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,440
why i don't appreciate that use of

679
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,279
language is it suggests that i have

680
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,080
agency and if only i fought harder did

681
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,240
this did that then it would go away and

682
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,000
the extension of that is that i brought

683
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,000
this on myself with the wrong type of

684
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,320
thinking or whatever else and not only

685
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,520
do i think that is incorrect but also it

686
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,600
means that all the little children that

687
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,840
get cancer they also had the wrong type

688
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,360
of thoughts they didn't think in the

689
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,840
right ways and i think that is so nasty

690
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,360
and so unhelpful

691
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,600
so i've asked my treating doctors

692
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,840
numerous times over what can i do to

693
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,679
help myself and they say the same thing

694
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,760
over and over again stay away from sick

695
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,840
people because i'm immunocompromised and

696
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,520
turn up for your appointments because

697
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,960
the doctors are the ones that are going

698
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,880
to keep me alive

699
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,679
oh

700
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,360
well you've had really bad advice from

701
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,279
people too eat more asparagus stuff like

702
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,360
that is what's been the most ridiculous

703
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,640
thing that they've gone and of course

704
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:16,000
you just would have snapped and just

705
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,279
told them you'd have told them where to

706
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,760
go and it wouldn't have been glebe

707
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,400
i was very clear from the outset that i

708
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:24,080
wanted to be guided by the medical

709
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,120
advice

710
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,039
because i am an academic i am an

711
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,840
associate professor i know how hard you

712
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,679
have to work to become an expert in a

713
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,159
field and the thought that you could

714
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,120
be you know actually uh you know some

715
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,240
other thing not not not that whatever it

716
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,600
is you're doing isn't important if

717
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,000
you're a tax officer or a supply chain

718
00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:48,240
manager or whatever else no doubt you're

719
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,200
an expert in that field but you're not

720
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,720
simultaneously also a cancer expert

721
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,360
without ever having done the research or

722
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,960
quite frankly got the grades and done

723
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,640
all the work at school so i think it's a

724
00:27:03,909 --> 00:26:59,440
real

725
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,919
oncologist she's wonderful she calls me

726
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,080
regularly late on a friday night to give

727
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,840
me results and things like that she's

728
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:09,840
not at the pub she's she worked really

729
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,799
hard and she knows her stuff so i have

730
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,440
turned i've put my faith in trained

731
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,919
medical professionals and i was very

732
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
clear about that but still a few tips um

733
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,880
have filtered through

734
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,120
so um

735
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,080
it i think it's watermelon seeds see if

736
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,520
i cause i'm not paying close enough

737
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,120
attention clearly i don't want to get

738
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,679
rid of this cancer but yeah six i think

739
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,760
six apple seeds will do it

740
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,600
um uh also apple cider vinegar that's

741
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,240
one they often suggest as well yes and

742
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,880
look ethan i mean i have to say people

743
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,320
do try to be people are so well meaning

744
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,399
i have got this hyper nausea condition

745
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,360
i'm always nauseous and i take a lot of

746
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,240
very very strong anti-nausea drugs and

747
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,919
people say to me things like oh ginger

748
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,640
helps with nausea and i'm sure to some

749
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,720
extent ginger well i'm not sure but i

750
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,799
think it's possible that ginger might

751
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,520
help under some circumstances but what

752
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,480
i'm talking about is supersonic nausea

753
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,679
where

754
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,320
ginger you know that for indeed the

755
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,880
anti-nausea medication they give me is

756
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,720
designed to dissolve under my tongue

757
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,320
because you're often so nauseous you

758
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,720
can't even swallow a tablet

759
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,760
now um i know if there's any like any uh

760
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,120
non-skeptical people listening they'll

761
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,640
be listening to your story go aha the

762
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,960
first doctor completely ignored you

763
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,640
because you're a woman he wasn't taking

764
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,399
you seriously now do you think that

765
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,240
doctor made a mistake or just your age

766
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,679
was what filled him because your age is

767
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,080
not normally symptomatic for this

768
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,240
do you know i had such a wonderful

769
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,200
experience so i i go to the one practice

770
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,039
in annandale they all share their

771
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,720
information but you could see various

772
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,399
doctors in this practice

773
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:50,000
the first doctor i saw was actually a

774
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,039
woman

775
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,360
and she missed she didn't and she

776
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,720
actually said to me what do you think is

777
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,440
wrong and i was bloated and i was not

778
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,399
feeling good

779
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,880
and i said i don't know and i said could

780
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,559
it be cancer and she said i think it's

781
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,480
constipation so she sent me home with

782
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,039
laxatives i returned three days later to

783
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,360
the same practice and this time i saw a

784
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,840
gentleman male doctor and he had

785
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,840
previously been a nurse and he was

786
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,480
outstanding but by then i was in

787
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,440
distress i was in tears and it is so

788
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,080
deceptive because i wasn't in pain it's

789
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,720
not painful just something is wrong and

790
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
you don't know what it is and so i was

791
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,640
in tears and i said you've got to help

792
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,520
me

793
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,720
oh

794
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,240
we're all destructive

795
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,000
no no there was just a lot no it was the

796
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,399
ghost of a large rat

797
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,240
they're very much alive

798
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,720
on the fence

799
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,640
there might be more than one rat in this

800
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,159
area

801
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,919
yes

802
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,600
so so you're really not a portioning

803
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,320
blame to that first doctor because

804
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,320
look i said well what happened so i went

805
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,159
back to the second doctor and he did

806
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,760
what i think is the right thing he said

807
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,240
we're going to start at the worst end

808
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,679
and we're going to rule out the worst

809
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,279
things and then what we're probably

810
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,799
going to end up with something like

811
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,039
irritable bowel so he's the one that

812
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,039
sent me for the blood test and he rang

813
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,799
me about three or four hours later and

814
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,799
he said there is something seriously

815
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,919
wrong with you

816
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,640
go to emergency pack a bag i can't tell

817
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,320
you what it is and i don't know what's

818
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,320
going to happen but it's so serious that

819
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,760
they won't let you leave until you're

820
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,240
diagnosed so i raced around packed a bag

821
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,279
took myself off to emergency and he rang

822
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:28,240
me about three days later on my mobile

823
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,960
and

824
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,960
i i said oh hello did you hear what

825
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,640
happened he said no i've heard nothing

826
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,120
and i said it was ovarian cancer

827
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,520
and i saw him a couple of months later

828
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,360
after i was out of hospital you know he

829
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,880
was became my gp ongoing and he said to

830
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:44,880
me i've been doing a lot of reading

831
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,679
since i saw you because i never thought

832
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,440
that it could be ovarian cancer i didn't

833
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,720
equate the two

834
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,720
so now i'm hooked up with a group of of

835
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,440
people primarily women who go around

836
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,600
they actually give talks to doctors to

837
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,080
help them understand ovarian cancer

838
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,960
because they may not see it it's a rare

839
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,880
cancer they might know it doesn't this

840
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,320
is what you've been posting on your

841
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:09,200
facebook the the um

842
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,399
you know and forgive me i just can't

843
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,000
remember the the details but you could

844
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,080
tell our listener yeah well look i have

845
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,760
decided that one of the things i want to

846
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,799
do before i die is raise awareness and

847
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,840
funds for ovarian cancer treatment so it

848
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,720
really is one of the most deadly cancers

849
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,039
you can get definitely most deadly

850
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,720
cancer for women and that has to change

851
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,640
it's too late for me i'm going to die of

852
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,000
ovarian cancer that's what's going to

853
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,320
happen but there are young women out

854
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
there who do not have to suffer that

855
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,640
same fate we need research and research

856
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,519
requires funds so i'm doing as much as i

857
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,440
can whenever i'm getting an opportunity

858
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,080
to do it so it's various things so that

859
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,320
program i was talking about about going

860
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,080
and talking to doctors and helping

861
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,640
educate them i haven't given a talk to a

862
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,039
doctor yet but i have said i will go if

863
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,440
they get invited

864
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,840
i i've been working with george jensen

865
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,559
who was a jury design company the

866
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,399
australian wing and they've put out

867
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,640
these necklaces the one i'm wearing

868
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,039
where a sum of a proportion of the money

869
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:14,159
raised goes to ovarian cancer research

870
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,360
and

871
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,559
think

872
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,159
talking about ovarian cancer is an

873
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,519
important first step to getting

874
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,000
awareness and funds and research and so

875
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,559
i think if people do wear the necklace

876
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,880
that that can start a conversation

877
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,559
but i've also been asked to do other

878
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,720
things including talking to politicians

879
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,279
and other other media appearances and as

880
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,919
i say this is what i want to do this is

881
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,440
this you know

882
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,159
i'm not depressed or down or anything

883
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,120
like that but it is a very strange

884
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,200
psychological game you know i want to be

885
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,880
alive but i know i'm going to die and i

886
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,039
know i'm going to get sick so for me to

887
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,919
give myself meaning in this last period

888
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,600
of my life

889
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,240
is to try and make the world a better

890
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,600
place for

891
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,440
women with ovarian cancer and what

892
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,799
should they do siobhan where should they

893
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,360
go we're on the web yeah well there are

894
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,880
lots of different places where you can

895
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,480
make a donation that would be really

896
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,880
meaningful so the ovarian cancer

897
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,559
research foundation is somewhere you

898
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:14,000
could donate to

899
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:14,799
um

900
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,440
ovarian cancer support group so for

901
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,440
example i have a nurse who rings me up

902
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,159
every six weeks to answer my questions

903
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,080
and that's all money that's raised

904
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:27,919
through funds

905
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,200
chris o'brien lifehouse is also

906
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,519
a good place i do all kinds of cancers

907
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,840
but they've supported me so there's lots

908
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:38,159
of different ways that you can support

909
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,360
oh

910
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,519
look now there's a cute cat walking i

911
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,880
think the captain the cat's after the

912
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,200
rat right the cat's going yeah nothing

913
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,960
is going through the water there's going

914
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,799
to be some uh

915
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,360
i think that cat's a mouser or a ratter

916
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,919
well i was talking gleefully and i

917
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,000
didn't even realize that a haunted guy i

918
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,000
think i think you've made a very

919
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,360
important message to our listeners

920
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,279
siobhan and i thank you for that and

921
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,640
folks i must tell you that one of the

922
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,159
reasons i'm here because siobhan wrote

923
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,519
to me and said told me about this place

924
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,360
she said well i'm looking for places to

925
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,000
haunt after i die

926
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,679
well this brings us to non-local

927
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,960
consciousness

928
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,639
i i now you do live around here don't

929
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,919
you yes

930
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,159
so with non-local consciousness that

931
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:19,839
does not mean you're limited physically

932
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,720
to any area around you in fact i would

933
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,720
probably say that uh dr rupert shaw

934
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,399
drake and people other like that could

935
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,159
say you're not even limited to this

936
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,079
planet i would say i'm not quite sure

937
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,760
non-local consciousness means that you

938
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,200
can go into the consciousness where's

939
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,230
another it disappeared it disappeared

940
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,079
there's another guy

941
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,679
the cat's just going to hide somewhere

942
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,040
and then just jump on the thing you

943
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,359
can't get through this gate yes so this

944
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,679
is one of the images that you see a lot

945
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,599
in the photos and i mean it does indeed

946
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,399
have more road s qualities here

947
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,720
but that said it to me looks very much

948
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,839
like

949
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,760
unuseful government land that

950
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,839
occasionally is driven into for

951
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,920
maintenance and gas oh he's getting that

952
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,079
black light out again

953
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,599
uh you'll you'll probably see the body

954
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,760
of a dead mouse later on are we filming

955
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,280
you never know

956
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:13,119
well the cat disappeared it was there

957
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,920
one

958
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,160
see there's a cat see if you look at him

959
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,240
he sees he's sitting come over here

960
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,560
see he's sitting and looking there oh

961
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,079
yeah see i'm probably helping the cat

962
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,000
slightly i don't know if i'm wiping out

963
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,520
his night vision or not but

964
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,520
unsurprisingly we saw a rat and then we

965
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,400
saw a cat

966
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,520
um yes so a non-local consciousness so i

967
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,280
i reckon like is there some place you

968
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,800
haven't been that you might like and

969
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,560
there's no reason considering the

970
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,000
temporal factor that you have to stay

971
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,440
there for long at all so you could you

972
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,800
could visit all your favorite places

973
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,320
around the world potentially if there's

974
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,720
anything to this non-local consciousness

975
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,640
that that's all i'm suggesting i don't

976
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,359
know

977
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,960
or you could do a harry houdini thing

978
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,720
and uh give richard a secret code that

979
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:54,160
only he knows that you could leave

980
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,200
someone

981
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,680
yes wouldn't that be amazing i'm not

982
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,280
trying to be morbid or anything but but

983
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,119
it's just one thing that popped into my

984
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,119
head that uh you know and you could

985
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,240
prove the skeptics wrong yes yes gladly

986
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,839
that would be a nice that would be a

987
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,079
nice touch but siobhan i thought you

988
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,000
meant this place next to us here which

989
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,760
is the one i thought it was this is the

990
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,320
one that they put in the images oh is it

991
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,960
okay just to be um

992
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:21,760
you know clear i do think there is great

993
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,310
scope for interpretation

994
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:24,640
[Applause]

995
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,510
it is actually a gate and you can see a

996
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,520
lock on it but i've been down there when

997
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,880
they used to dump the bicycles down

998
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,320
there in fact i think the lock is there

999
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,240
so they didn't dump the higher bicycles

1000
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,760
down there actually you know i think if

1001
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,599
we've also put up cameras too as you can

1002
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,400
see yeah if we could have made it

1003
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,160
through i think perhaps this is where we

1004
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,160
would have come out

1005
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,560
well now when we began it was still

1006
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,480
reasonably light out but now it's very

1007
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,920
dark if we would go back to that

1008
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599
original haunted street would be pitch

1009
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,760
black yeah okay let's spend our time

1010
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,839
down here in the spirit

1011
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,240
i i heard some spooky singing again from

1012
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,640
the the other side of the tracks and

1013
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,040
we'll take one more side of the wrong

1014
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,119
side now it's got darker we'll take a

1015
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,599
one more look down this other

1016
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,119
haunted

1017
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,640
street

1018
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,359
just one of the other big questions on

1019
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,640
that i've spoken to a number of people

1020
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,040
in late stages of hiv and they talk

1021
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,119
about the focus that they get because

1022
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,960
they of all the things they could do

1023
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,400
they know they've got limited time and

1024
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,800
they focus you are doing it with the

1025
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,560
awareness of ovarian cancer is there

1026
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,079
anything else in your private life

1027
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,079
you're like i must get that tied it up i

1028
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,079
must do that or have you thought it

1029
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,320
really doesn't matter really uh actually

1030
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,320
maynard i have been

1031
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,040
really glad to have this time for

1032
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,960
another reason and that is that i'm

1033
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,440
trying to do things with my

1034
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,599
money that i think will be lasting and

1035
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,400
effective so i've dedicated a lot of my

1036
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,119
life to animal studies research so one

1037
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,880
of the things i'm doing is setting up

1038
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,680
prizes for animal study scholars we're

1039
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,000
running it for the first time this year

1040
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,520
it's going through an organization

1041
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,440
called acer which is the australasian

1042
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,599
animal studies association and i'm

1043
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,920
requesting them fifty thousand dollars

1044
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,200
to do un

1045
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,920
ongoing prizes to reward animal study

1046
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,839
scholars what would be an example of

1047
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,040
something they might be studying that

1048
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:20,640
they might get an award for what be an

1049
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:26,640
example uh they might be studying um why

1050
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,160
why some people have hostile attitudes

1051
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,480
towards cats for example

1052
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:33,839
or

1053
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
why it is that some people are easily

1054
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,640
persuaded to

1055
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,800
buy free-range eggs and other people

1056
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,480
can't be convinced

1057
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,400
so anywhere where it's a kind of a human

1058
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,800
animal interface with the kind of focus

1059
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,640
on making the world a better place for

1060
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,160
animals

1061
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,480
not doing any work on like why birds

1062
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,000
have an uncanny

1063
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,880
way of being able to poop on you

1064
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,760
you know

1065
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,760
you just you think you're nowhere near

1066
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,079
one and then suddenly it lands on you

1067
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,520
and even if you this has happened to me

1068
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,359
a number of times during the epidemic

1069
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,359
and i'm just wondering is this just pure

1070
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,520
the this is the law of large numbers as

1071
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,680
they say or is this just me

1072
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,520
look that hasn't been put forward as one

1073
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,839
of the great burning questions but

1074
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,520
certainly if we can get to the bottom of

1075
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,000
it i'll let you know

1076
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,680
do you think as far as animal rights

1077
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,079
goes things are moving forward or we're

1078
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,680
stalled currently or they're going

1079
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,880
backwards

1080
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,040
you know that's one of the really big

1081
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,480
questions and that's one of the things

1082
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,400
that i've been reflecting on a lot

1083
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,000
lately because i have really have tried

1084
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:35,280
to commit my

1085
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,040
life to education and when i see people

1086
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,119
um you know questioning vaccines and

1087
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,280
things like that you know i it does make

1088
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,200
me really worried that we haven't done a

1089
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,440
good job at bringing everyone along

1090
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,599
uh in terms of education because you can

1091
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,160
say hey i'm alive for longer because of

1092
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,680
science and people go i don't want to

1093
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,960
take the vaccine

1094
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:57,760
absolutely it's it's just uh it's it's

1095
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,359
really quite sad for me to to see this

1096
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,680
you know we failed some people in this

1097
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,720
regard

1098
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,200
so one of the things that for me that's

1099
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,720
also been hard about the pandemic is

1100
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,640
being separated from people i want to

1101
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,359
see people and um you know i can't claim

1102
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,119
to be a close friend of peter singers by

1103
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,800
any stretch of the imagination but i

1104
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,720
certainly know him and he's always been

1105
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,520
very generous with his time with me and

1106
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,119
he and i've been trying to meet up

1107
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,359
because i wanted to talk to him about

1108
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:27,040
a good what is a good life and have i

1109
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,560
made good decisions in the way i've

1110
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,200
lived my life and he's been trying to do

1111
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,880
a tour of australia talking about all

1112
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,240
these issues but it keeps getting

1113
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,560
postponed so now it's postponed to i

1114
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:39,200
think april next year and we've really i

1115
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,400
really want to catch up and you know

1116
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,160
have a meal with him and and get his

1117
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,599
reflections on

1118
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,920
you know did i do enough in the right

1119
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,599
ways and you know what's it all been

1120
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,079
about wow um i would have thought that

1121
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,640
there's no right answer to that

1122
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,079
yeah look i don't think there is a

1123
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,400
singular answer but i think it's useful

1124
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,960
to kind of think about um

1125
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,960
you know so for instance i've been vegan

1126
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,560
for about um

1127
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,480
20 plus years

1128
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,640
but to going back to your question is

1129
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,319
the world a better place for animals

1130
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,520
well

1131
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,359
you know we have these massive

1132
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,520
production units the more the human

1133
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,440
population increases the more meats

1134
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,800
consumed

1135
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,359
a lot of people who um

1136
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,119
would previously have had more of a

1137
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,880
vegetarian diet because they lived in

1138
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,640
parts of the world where that's more

1139
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,599
culturally acceptable or or indeed

1140
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,119
because where they lived in poverty and

1141
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,440
they didn't have access to meat that is

1142
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,560
changing and so for instance china is

1143
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,920
going to have a big increase in its

1144
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,880
consumption of animal protein and so

1145
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,400
what does it all mean for the animals

1146
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,240
are the animals better off now than they

1147
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,800
were and i think perhaps the sad truth

1148
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,200
is in terms of volume

1149
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,440
consumed and in terms of intensity of

1150
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,440
production probably for the animals the

1151
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,520
world is still a bad place and hasn't

1152
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,880
improved a lot

1153
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,480
when we think of decades to come there's

1154
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,680
going to be things that people are going

1155
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,359
to look back on as being a bit silly

1156
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,000
that we do like boxing like driving your

1157
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,319
own car like drinking alcohol but i'll

1158
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,839
debate anyone anywhere any day of the

1159
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,280
week and of course while the other ones

1160
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,920
might be owning pets having those

1161
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,079
animals is almost they're pampered but

1162
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,440
they're pampered slaves and there's that

1163
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,760
psychologi um i'm bet pete singer have

1164
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,440
something to say about that is that one

1165
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,040
of the issues that concern you i mean

1166
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,560
everyone loves their pets but it is a

1167
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,800
bit of a you you own a pet

1168
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,960
it is really interesting and it's and

1169
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,960
again it's so complicated one of the

1170
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,200
things that i'm really worried about and

1171
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,040
i think you know a good number of people

1172
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,400
in the animal protection movement are

1173
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400
worried about is what's going to happen

1174
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,319
post covert because you could not get a

1175
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,800
puppy for love nor money in this city

1176
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:41,040
for a long time even kittens were hard

1177
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:42,480
to come by

1178
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,359
and

1179
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,599
this is a long-term investment i mean

1180
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,480
this is a 15 to 20-year investment and

1181
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,720
so are the pounds going to be full of

1182
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,280
unwanted animals in the future so even

1183
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,359
for companion animals you know things

1184
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,760
aren't great that said the ones who get

1185
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,160
lucky and get the privileged um

1186
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,000
household and all the rest of it they

1187
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,400
they have a really fantastic life indeed

1188
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,760
to the point where

1189
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,599
probably a lot of companion animals are

1190
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,680
over consuming resources much like the

1191
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,720
humans are um you know as human

1192
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,280
population weights increasing on average

1193
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,880
so are the companion animals the cats

1194
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,839
and dogs are getting fatter as well

1195
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,760
i i hear people and

1196
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,680
anecdotally people who live near someone

1197
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,240
who's got a dog just during covert and

1198
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
now they're going to work all the time

1199
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:29,040
and dog just barks all day because it

1200
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,240
doesn't know what's going on there's no

1201
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,839
one around suddenly and it's upset i

1202
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,400
mean that's not a nice life no it's not

1203
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,160
it can be a very lonely life for a

1204
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,440
companion animal particularly when

1205
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,520
you've got attachment issues so it is

1206
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,720
it's it's really very very tricky look i

1207
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,359
i know people though sometimes pet uh

1208
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,119
i'm sorry we're going on the pet tangent

1209
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,520
here richard um that there's there's

1210
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,160
doggy valium to make the the separation

1211
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,520
issue with the dogs and to me there

1212
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,359
seems to be more dogs with separation

1213
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,119
issues and i never used to hear that

1214
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,680
back back as a kid like also you know if

1215
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,800
your dog cost more than a hundred

1216
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,560
dollars to the vet it was like oh dear

1217
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,800
the dog has to go away um and now you

1218
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,560
people spend thousands there's dialysis

1219
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,280
for cats indeed things like that um and

1220
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,440
yeah i just think you know

1221
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,800
is it really fair to them to be doing

1222
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,880
all this to them well

1223
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,839
many years ago now i wrote a paper with

1224
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,920
a colleague of mine called john hadley

1225
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,480
and we had a look at excessive

1226
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,800
expenditure on companion animals indeed

1227
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,640
we were interpreting peter singer's

1228
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,480
later work on poverty alleviation

1229
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,720
through the lens of animal protection

1230
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,040
and it's extraordinary what you can get

1231
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,280
for companion animals but i think of the

1232
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,200
we well the most expensive was the

1233
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,359
diamond um tiara

1234
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:42,079
but the strangest one i read of

1235
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,200
was

1236
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,359
once you have your dog desexed you can

1237
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,040
get silicon testicles uh inserted so he

1238
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,839
feels fully intact as he's parading

1239
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,200
around and

1240
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,000
is is that a thing is is the dog really

1241
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,079
going look at my balls or kept my

1242
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,640
wonderful balls is it really doing that

1243
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,560
or is it just making you feel not as

1244
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:04,319
guilty as a pet owner for having him cut

1245
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:05,280
off

1246
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,960
i really i i dare not speculate too much

1247
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,520
on that one i think it's projection

1248
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,520
so what we'll do now is we'll just go

1249
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:14,880
back under this arch and we'll do the

1250
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,839
wrap up okay

1251
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,480
so

1252
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,319
fox mulder here otherwise known as

1253
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,160
maynard thank you for listening i

1254
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,160
wouldn't say it's an x-file it might be

1255
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,040
an x-file with an e-x maybe uh that kind

1256
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,280
of file but it hasn't been too spooky i

1257
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:31,040
did get scared by a huntsman spider but

1258
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,319
then again that could happen anywhere

1259
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,319
folks yeah and oh there was a rat and

1260
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,680
there was a cat

1261
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,160
and a small mouse which i think is

1262
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,270
this listen to that isn't that fantastic

1263
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,440
oh you have to say hello

1264
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,160
hello scully i think it's a contagion

1265
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:50,000
what a contagion there you go that's

1266
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,359
just about in every third episode of the

1267
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,280
x-files the words contagion gets

1268
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,800
mentioned and now it's just it's just

1269
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,960
overused now you don't use it anymore

1270
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,800
and it's been wonderful having a walk in

1271
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,119
the chat and seeing the rat with you oh

1272
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,200
thank you it's so fabulous to be back on

1273
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,440
the skeptic zone such a joy

1274
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,760
yeah oh and what is your your prize

1275
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,280
going to be called um that you were

1276
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,640
putting the mind towards have you given

1277
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,880
a name for it well the information is

1278
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,480
through ace of the australasian animal

1279
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,319
studies association has just got the

1280
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,440
boring title at the moment best paper by

1281
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,680
an early career academic focused on

1282
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,400
animals we're not we're not in the witty

1283
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:26,319
we need to get you in right now be good

1284
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,079
to animals or we'll punch you how's that

1285
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,680
i guess that's a bit too activist i

1286
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,280
guess yeah but it's been wonderful